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		<title>By: Big G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a point here Godheval. I never thought how most black people would feel about Precious, although I am pretty sure that the people behind the movie would know the impact it would have. 
 
The problem truly is that the MEDIA is controlled by white enterprises, which means we&#039;re being fed stereotypes everyday without even knowing it so, the wider society thinks what the MEDIA tells them, and the sad truth is that no one can&#039;t scape racist ideas. 
 
The only solution is more people like Tyler Perry who show the different faces of the Black community. 
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a point here Godheval. I never thought how most black people would feel about Precious, although I am pretty sure that the people behind the movie would know the impact it would have. </p>
<p>The problem truly is that the MEDIA is controlled by white enterprises, which means we&#039;re being fed stereotypes everyday without even knowing it so, the wider society thinks what the MEDIA tells them, and the sad truth is that no one can&#039;t scape racist ideas. </p>
<p>The only solution is more people like Tyler Perry who show the different faces of the Black community.</p>
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		<title>By: Godheval</title>
		<link>http://godheval.net/precious-is-not-our-story/comment-page-1/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Godheval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, you know, I didn&#039;t get all that from Reed&#039;s article.  If he had made that point as clearly as you just did, then I may not have written this at all.  But that criticism of the film ONLY works if we assume that Reed&#039;s second argument - about the marketing of the film - is accurate, and that the casting choices weren&#039;t simply to be true to the book.  If the latter, then can we really blame the film for the sickness that is the white American imagination? 
 
As for what to do...well, it&#039;s prudent for me not to say what I think in public. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, you know, I didn&#039;t get all that from Reed&#039;s article.  If he had made that point as clearly as you just did, then I may not have written this at all.  But that criticism of the film ONLY works if we assume that Reed&#039;s second argument &#8211; about the marketing of the film &#8211; is accurate, and that the casting choices weren&#039;t simply to be true to the book.  If the latter, then can we really blame the film for the sickness that is the white American imagination? </p>
<p>As for what to do&#8230;well, it&#039;s prudent for me not to say what I think in public.</p>
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		<title>By: ThoughtFriction</title>
		<link>http://godheval.net/precious-is-not-our-story/comment-page-1/#comment-753</link>
		<dc:creator>ThoughtFriction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of the comparison in its extreme is to demostrate how Precious is in fact a black movie. Im not saying that because the movie is racial that its intent is to reflect on any or all black people. However the implications associated with the fact that &quot;black&quot; culture is being exploited as a stage for this turbulent drama, are aggravated by the racial delusions of an America that is too cowardly to confront them. 
 
Reed&#039;s reaction seemed to parallel your response to GAB. In my view, you were concerned by a group professing a certain cause, furthering that cause by exploiting a demographic for emotional value, then proceeding to not even offer proper recognition.  Precious advertises social progression by exploiting the racial implications of the &quot;black&quot; demographic, then completely ignores any explicit recognition of that culture&#039;s pathology/anthropology. 
 
Its technically possible to assemble a cast that reflects a flipped hierarchy, but no its not socially feasible because of the racial  interpretations and expected representations Reed is worried Precious perpetuates.  So to bring this back home. I agree with your post overall, but I also feel Reeds general reaction is justified because in the context of present-day America, Precsious is firmly rooted in a racial quagmire. To me the paradigm Reed supposedly empowers is the direct byproduct of the &quot;white&quot; imagination. The paradox here is that indignant outcries, though fully justified in my opinion, actually feed this delusional &quot;white&quot; imagination we&#039;re trying to counter. Racial outcries are immediately labeled as racist outcries that are now just ammo for the newest, self-satisfying, post-racial delusion you identified in The Obama Placebo. My question is what to do? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of the comparison in its extreme is to demostrate how Precious is in fact a black movie. Im not saying that because the movie is racial that its intent is to reflect on any or all black people. However the implications associated with the fact that &quot;black&quot; culture is being exploited as a stage for this turbulent drama, are aggravated by the racial delusions of an America that is too cowardly to confront them. </p>
<p>Reed&#039;s reaction seemed to parallel your response to GAB. In my view, you were concerned by a group professing a certain cause, furthering that cause by exploiting a demographic for emotional value, then proceeding to not even offer proper recognition.  Precious advertises social progression by exploiting the racial implications of the &quot;black&quot; demographic, then completely ignores any explicit recognition of that culture&#039;s pathology/anthropology. </p>
<p>Its technically possible to assemble a cast that reflects a flipped hierarchy, but no its not socially feasible because of the racial  interpretations and expected representations Reed is worried Precious perpetuates.  So to bring this back home. I agree with your post overall, but I also feel Reeds general reaction is justified because in the context of present-day America, Precsious is firmly rooted in a racial quagmire. To me the paradigm Reed supposedly empowers is the direct byproduct of the &quot;white&quot; imagination. The paradox here is that indignant outcries, though fully justified in my opinion, actually feed this delusional &quot;white&quot; imagination we&#039;re trying to counter. Racial outcries are immediately labeled as racist outcries that are now just ammo for the newest, self-satisfying, post-racial delusion you identified in The Obama Placebo. My question is what to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Godheval</title>
		<link>http://godheval.net/precious-is-not-our-story/comment-page-1/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Godheval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...if you&#039;re talking about just reversing the hierarchy, meaning that Precious would be white and the white characters would be very dark, then of course the response wouldn&#039;t be the same.  Because white people wouldn&#039;t find it believable at all that African-Americans could come to the rescue of some beleaguered white girl. 
 
I don&#039;t even understand the point of that comparison.  It&#039;s not even feasible. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;if you&#039;re talking about just reversing the hierarchy, meaning that Precious would be white and the white characters would be very dark, then of course the response wouldn&#039;t be the same.  Because white people wouldn&#039;t find it believable at all that African-Americans could come to the rescue of some beleaguered white girl. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t even understand the point of that comparison.  It&#039;s not even feasible.</p>
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		<title>By: ThoughtFriction</title>
		<link>http://godheval.net/precious-is-not-our-story/comment-page-1/#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator>ThoughtFriction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re furthering my point although I think we&#039;re hitting a wall with this concept of &quot;all-white.&quot; Im NOT suggesting an &quot;all-white&quot; cast. Im suggesting a cast that represents the mirroring of the skin-tone range in Precious. They are two separate things... 
 
... For instance, lets take the skin complexion range of the main character Precious and Mariah Carey as boundaries. Lets now take that range and flip it. 
 
1) You admit there IS a complexion hierarchy of which 99% of the range is self-contained within an institutional concept of &quot;blackness,&quot; which is why Precious is a black movie.  
 
2) If you flip that hierarchy it puts &quot;whiteness&quot; at the bottom which upsets the entrenched &quot;power&quot; dynamics of hollywood and would immediately bring Precious&#039; racial implications to the forefront. 
 
3) Accurately portraying that flipped range would require more than an &quot;all-white&quot; or an &quot;all-black&quot; cast. It would require a mixture to represent what Precious&#039; character from the white end of the spectrum. Consequently, Mariah Carey&#039;s guiding character would be represented with a much darker skin tone. In this mixture of race-roles where whiteness has been interchanged with blackness, America would be forced to reconcile the representation of BOTH &quot;races&quot; on screen but with flipped complexion-based roles.  
 
4) For the sake of a scientific control, outside of this interchange of race roles, EVERYTHING else about the movie remains the same. There is no shifting of anything else or any other details to compensate for this flip-flop. In other words, no making &quot;...evil characters less appealing physically in other ways.&quot; If Precious isnt racial then there should be the ability to leave the movie completely unaltered AS-IS in EVERY way except ONLY the skin complexion of the characters and references to them.  
 
5) If the movie was re-filmed as you&#039;re describing to be marketable in an &quot;all-white&quot; context then sure, the critics opinion might actually be more positive. However, even in that scenario, the movie is just as racial, implicitly or otherwise.  
 
6) So now I have to rephrase my question :P... If the movie Precious AS-IS with all the references to &quot;black&quot; culture in place was changed ONLY by shifting the skin complexions based on my explanation above...you think the critic&#039;s response wouldve stayed the same? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re furthering my point although I think we&#039;re hitting a wall with this concept of &quot;all-white.&quot; Im NOT suggesting an &quot;all-white&quot; cast. Im suggesting a cast that represents the mirroring of the skin-tone range in Precious. They are two separate things&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230; For instance, lets take the skin complexion range of the main character Precious and Mariah Carey as boundaries. Lets now take that range and flip it. </p>
<p>1) You admit there IS a complexion hierarchy of which 99% of the range is self-contained within an institutional concept of &quot;blackness,&quot; which is why Precious is a black movie.  </p>
<p>2) If you flip that hierarchy it puts &quot;whiteness&quot; at the bottom which upsets the entrenched &quot;power&quot; dynamics of hollywood and would immediately bring Precious&#039; racial implications to the forefront. </p>
<p>3) Accurately portraying that flipped range would require more than an &quot;all-white&quot; or an &quot;all-black&quot; cast. It would require a mixture to represent what Precious&#039; character from the white end of the spectrum. Consequently, Mariah Carey&#039;s guiding character would be represented with a much darker skin tone. In this mixture of race-roles where whiteness has been interchanged with blackness, America would be forced to reconcile the representation of BOTH &quot;races&quot; on screen but with flipped complexion-based roles.  </p>
<p>4) For the sake of a scientific control, outside of this interchange of race roles, EVERYTHING else about the movie remains the same. There is no shifting of anything else or any other details to compensate for this flip-flop. In other words, no making &quot;&#8230;evil characters less appealing physically in other ways.&quot; If Precious isnt racial then there should be the ability to leave the movie completely unaltered AS-IS in EVERY way except ONLY the skin complexion of the characters and references to them.  </p>
<p>5) If the movie was re-filmed as you&#039;re describing to be marketable in an &quot;all-white&quot; context then sure, the critics opinion might actually be more positive. However, even in that scenario, the movie is just as racial, implicitly or otherwise.  </p>
<p>6) So now I have to rephrase my question <img src='http://godheval.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230; If the movie Precious AS-IS with all the references to &quot;black&quot; culture in place was changed ONLY by shifting the skin complexions based on my explanation above&#8230;you think the critic&#039;s response wouldve stayed the same?</p>
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